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again.. which tyres ???
#1
Sorry but I did not want revive old posts for this 'questionnaire'  
I'm still in doubt about which 4.50x19 tyres to choose for the Rosengart. 
On the front are old Firestones of which one is loosing its pressure , rears have been shod with modern 'Yoko-drama'-motorcycle tyres, spare is like a crisp....wouldn't get me home in case of emergency methinks  
And as I seem to 've managed to sell some items from my not-automotive -related-collection (and keeping fingers crossed the buyer will indeed turn up somewhere mid Januari with the Cudo's) the Rosengart's budget will allow the acquisition of some new 4.50 x 19 rubbers all round. 
Thus inspiring me with more confidence to take it further afield than the pub opposed  the church in the next village. 
Having read old post on similar what-tyre-to-choose-topics  and browsing around I can choose from two types of Ensign (B5 and triple stud), Excelsior 69P and 75H comp, Waymaster WM 30 and off course Blockeys and Longstones, treads of which are the 3 studs like on Ensign Triple `Stud and Excelsior 75 H comp. 
I'm leaving Michelin Double Rivets out of the equation as they are. too expensive for me, excluding also Avon Side Car tyres and some Firestones in 4.50. x 19 size as they too seem to be motorcycle tyres (plus the Firestones are overpriced over here in the Netherlands).

Blockeys are amongst the more affordable but I've read less favorable things about them, one drawback being little tread-depth and quickly wearing. 
My friend mechanic has found them  inconsistent in actual sizes (no matter size indicated on the walls) and a pig to fit. 
They are soft and have flat spots when the car has been standing for a longer period.

Waymasters too are affordable and I kinda like the tread pattern,  but these get critcized for being ridiculously noisy and bad wet weather performance (and in The Netherlands we do get our showers every now and then...)

My friend has had Excelsior 69P tyres on one of his cars but after a few years they became slippery in the wet. 
He has recently fitted Excelsior Comps to his car but has not yet driven his cars with these so he cannot yet  give me an assessment.

Ensign Triple studs are among the more expensive ones and I do not see any advantage when compared to Blockley/ Longstone three stud tyres.

Longstone tyres usually get overall best critics and / or little negative comments.   
However when I contacted Longstone and asked them to make me an offer (i.e. deal) for 5 tyres plus tubes ex VAT plus shipment to the Netherlands they fell silent.

So what I'd like to know is the actual experience of y'all with either of these; price-wise, general overall quality, consistency, road behavior and 'grip'  both in the dry and in the wet, inclination to develop flat spots etcetera. 
Best would be comments from people who'e had and tried more than one of these tires brands / types so they can help me compare pros and cons.

As many of these tyres seem to be produced with a softer compound, wear is not a major issue as that will undoubtedly also depend on individual driving styles  (and.... I used to consume a set of Michelin Pilot's or Bridgestone RE71's within 8000 kms (approx 5000 miles) on my Citroen AX Sport when I was a younger man....so who am I to make wear an issue?)

Reason why I plan to buy from a UK based supplier (hopefully before the Ides of March 2019) is that all these tyres are more competitively priced in the UK than in the Netherlands (or any other EU country) and I cannot help being under the impression that Duch suppliers to vintage car owners,  be it 'tyre-specialists' or workshops specializing in vintage cars services, buy from the same sources and at the same prices as I would....and then put their own profit-margin on them....

PS / Edit.. throwing into the equation the T/T Classic Roadmaster (found them om the Longstone site)
PS / Edit No.2) Longstones in 4.50x19 are actually 4.00 x 19; Lognstone gives some explanations toward the reasons why they think their 4.00x19 is the right size for a 4.50x19 but I do not buy that... nice ploy to conceal one cannot / will not manufacture / supply in 4.50x19 as well???
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#2
Don't be misled by "Sidecar" on Avon tyres. They are car-profile and very large numbers of Sevens are running around on them - my own included; I reckon on getting about 40k miles out of a set.
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#3
(30-12-2018, 05:06 PM)Martin Prior Wrote: Don't be misled by "Sidecar" on Avon tyres.  They are car-profile and very large numbers of Sevens are running around on them - my own included; I reckon on getting about 40k miles out of a set.

Thanks Martin... however Common lore has it that 'motorcycle tyres' and thus also Avons have 'softer' walls might be more comfy but I'm not sure I'd like a wailing car especially when cornering
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#4
I don't, quite, understand your comment that Longstone 'fell silent' when you asked for a price including shipping to Holland. They ship tyres all over the world - every day - and shipping to Holland doesn't phase them at all.

I have to declare something of an interest because Longstone are fairly local to me and the people that run it and their extended families are good friends. However, I wouldn't recommend their tyres if I didn't consider them to be the best available and my experience of the various options on various cars confirms that. The current listed price ex VAT for 450 x 19 Longstone Triples on their web site is about £95 a corner. Doesn't seem excessive for a tyre that performs excellently and looks right on our cars. I've followed my own advice for some years and all my Sevens both road and competition are Longstone shod and I'm more than happy with them. Phone again after the New Year and talk to them.

As to your last comment about mark ups in Holland, you're correct. I supplied three Hardy Spicer propshafts to friends in Holland a few years ago. When I commented to the prop shaft man that made them for me that they were for Holland where they were considerably more expensive he smiled slightly and said 'where do you think the supplier in Holland get their propshafts made?'

Steve
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#5
Aren't you going to be a bit overtyred with 450x19?
Why not 350's ?
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#6
(30-12-2018, 07:14 PM)Austin in the Shed Wrote: Aren't you going to be a bit overtyred with 450x19?
Why not 350's ?

Yes Dave, that thought crossed my mind as well. I assumed that the car's original spec was 450x19 but I agree, 350 x 19 seem more appropriate. 

Steve
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#7
I, too, am surprised you are looking at 4.50x19s for a Rosengart; that's the standard size for a Riley 9, which is a much bigger and heavier car. You won't get an Avon sidecar tyre in that size either!

Longstone 4.00/4.50s seem to be extremely popular with Riley owners, and my brother's Frazer Nash is also quite happy on them, so if you do want 4.50s I think you will be happy with them. If you really mean 3.50x19s, then I am happy to join the recommendations for Longstones, too - they are more pliable than the (very old) Avons which I replaced, and I was struck by an immediate improvement in both ride and handling. I suspect they will wear out more quickly, but with the current recommendation to replace tyres after six to eight years, they willprobably still have tread left when it's time to replace them.

Having said that, I know Dave Mann is not a fan, and as it happened after a conversation with Dave I did experience an unnerving experience when the car hopped sideways over an undulation in a manner I didn't expect. Was it the tyres?I don't know, but ...
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#8
I can't give an unbiased opinion as I've never used anything but Avon 3.50 x 19's, on the other hand I've never found any issue with them that led me to seek a 'better' tyre.
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#9
(30-12-2018, 04:52 PM)Michael D Wrote: Sorry but I did not want revive old posts for this 'questionnaire'  
I'm still in doubt about which 4.50x19 tyres to choose for the Rosengart. 
On the front are old Firestones of which one is loosing its pressure , rears have been shod with modern 'Yoko-drama'-motorcycle tyres, spare is like a crisp....wouldn't get me home in case of emergency methinks  
And as I seem to 've managed to sell some items from my not-automotive -related-collection (and keeping fingers crossed the buyer will indeed turn up somewhere mid Januari with the Cudo's) the Rosengart's budget will allow the acquisition of some new 4.50 x 19 rubbers all round. 
Thus inspiring me with more confidence to take it further afield than the pub opposed  the church in the next village. 
Having read old post on similar what-tyre-to-choose-topics  and browsing around I can choose from two types of Ensign (B5 and triple stud), Excelsior 69P and 75H comp, Waymaster WM 30 and off course Blockeys and Longstones, treads of which are the 3 studs like on Ensign Triple `Stud and Excelsior 75 H comp. 
I'm leaving Michelin Double Rivets out of the equation as they are. too expensive for me, excluding also Avon Side Car tyres and some Firestones in 4.50. x 19 size as they too seem to be motorcycle tyres (plus the Firestones are overpriced over here in the Netherlands).

Blockeys are amongst the more affordable but I've read less favorable things about them, one drawback being little tread-depth and quickly wearing. 
My friend mechanic has found them  inconsistent in actual sizes (no matter size indicated on the walls) and a pig to fit. 
They are soft and have flat spots when the car has been standing for a longer period.

Waymasters too are affordable and I kinda like the tread pattern,  but these get critcized for being ridiculously noisy and bad wet weather performance (and in The Netherlands we do get our showers every now and then...)

My friend has had Excelsior 69P tyres on one of his cars but after a few years they became slippery in the wet. 
He has recently fitted Excelsior Comps to his car but has not yet driven his cars with these so he cannot yet  give me an assessment.

Ensign Triple studs are among the more expensive ones and I do not see any advantage when compared to Blockley/ Longstone three stud tyres.

Longstone tyres usually get overall best critics and / or little negative comments.   
However when I contacted Longstone and asked them to make me an offer (i.e. deal) for 5 tyres plus tubes ex VAT plus shipment to the Netherlands they fell silent.

So what I'd like to know is the actual experience of y'all with either of these; price-wise, general overall quality, consistency, road behavior and 'grip'  both in the dry and in the wet, inclination to develop flat spots etcetera. 
Best would be comments from people who'e had and tried more than one of these tires brands / types so they can help me compare pros and cons.

As many of these tyres seem to be produced with a softer compound, wear is not a major issue as that will undoubtedly also depend on individual driving styles  (and.... I used to consume a set of Michelin Pilot's or Bridgestone RE71's within 8000 kms (approx 5000 miles) on my Citroen AX Sport when I was a younger man....so who am I to make wear an issue?)

Reason why I plan to buy from a UK based supplier (hopefully before the Ides of March 2019) is that all these tyres are more competitively priced in the UK than in the Netherlands (or any other EU country) and I cannot help being under the impression that Duch suppliers to vintage car owners,  be it 'tyre-specialists' or workshops specializing in vintage cars services, buy from the same sources and at the same prices as I would....and then put their own profit-margin on them....

PS  / Edit.. throwing into the equation  the T/T Classic Roadmaster (found them om the Longstone site)
PS / Edit No.2) Longstones  in 4.50x19 are actually 4.00 x 19; Lognstone gives some explanations toward the reasons why they  think their 4.00x19 is the right size for a 4.50x19 but I do not buy that... nice ploy to conceal one cannot / will not manufacture / supply in 4.50x19 as well???
Tried all of them over the years. 
Longstone seem the best now, put all my Austin sevens on them I like them and they are great value.
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(30-12-2018, 08:44 PM)Chris KC Wrote: I can't give an unbiased opinion as I've never used anything but Avon 3.50 x 19's, on the other hand I've never found any issue with them that led me to seek a 'better' tyre.

Not sure why we are discussing 4.50 x 19 for an Austin 7- Avon Sidecar Tyres are 3.50 x 19 and I have always understood this size was correct for all late 20's cars.

I have 15 Avon Sidecar Tyres in use now and find them well priced and good for local use.


Cheers, Tony in Melbourne, Australia.
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