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RE: What have you done today with your Austin Seven - Bob Culver - 25-09-2021

Hi Hedd

The springs working directly on the body are an abomination. If that is the original floor never patched pan it must be about the only one existing.
If an overlap can be arranged brazing can be used but needs a lot of cleaning. Can acheive without oxy but prevents later welding.  (and here not allowed for w.o.f despite being used in many cars originally and very strong)

RE: What have you done today with your Austin Seven - A G Wood - 26-09-2021

...and here not allowed for w.o.f despite being used in many cars originally and very strong...
I don't want to be That Guy, Bob, but that isn't actually 100% correct sorry.
I won't bore everyone with a cut and paste but have a look at the on-line VIRM (the guide for WOF inspectors for non-NZers) 
Section 9 "General Repairs" section 9.2.7 "Reasons for Rejection".
In fact, brazing is  I-CAR compliant in areas specified by an OEM procedure.(emphasis mine)
 see < https: //rts.i-car.com/collision-repair-news/mig-brazing-what-is-it-why-should-i-use-it.html> 
**the link won't post in its correct form,  so if you want to look at it you'll have to remove the added space between the colon and the double slash
Also look at the  'Applicable Legislation' tab on 9.2.7 what the LTR has to say about date of manufacture and material compatibility.
I would suggest that provided the process of a brazed repair, even a traditional non-MIG one, is done in a tradesman like manner, in the correct application,  and there is no manufacturer's guidance available it would be fine for a WOF...

RE: What have you done today with your Austin Seven - Bob Culver - 26-09-2021

Thanks AGW
I confess i am not fully up to date but when the current extreme regulations came in years ago it was claimed that brazing repairs were not allowed. The wording would seem to suggest only where the OEM used in the area. It is now dated but once standard Australasian text on body repairs by author Donald Waite emphasised the strength of brazing and advocated its use for pull plates etc.
Others may be curious to learn that in NZ we have a very extreme wof regime with incredibly low tolerance of rust. It was introduced to enable low skilled inspectors experienced on ox carts to avoid questioning and conflict. At the time we were told it was necessary to meet world standards, notably UK. Yet we see no TV old cars in UK corroded to an extent where they could never at any stage here in the last 30 years remained on the road. Rusted Sevens and the like are cars which have not been used for 30 years, or skillfully bogged years ago.
The Jowett Javelin car has a box section integral chassis with wooden floor. The rear seat area has complex structure to contain the torsion bars and some  of the original assembly is brazed.Tthe golden rule here is to fix or disguise rust before a wof. Even a competent repair has to be disguised otherwise up for certified reapirs even for window surrounds, gutter rails etc.

RE: What have you done today with your Austin Seven - Chris KC - 26-09-2021

A beautiful day here and I spent it coaxing my newly-rebuilt back axle into the Box. 
Finally removed axle stands at 5pm too late for a proper run (still got dinner to cook...) but managed 6ft up the driveway and back without a hitch!

RE: What have you done today with your Austin Seven - Colin Reed - 26-09-2021

HI All,
Can some one please tell me where the NZ that Bob lives in is as can not find on Google.

Cheers Colin
NEW Zealand

RE: What have you done today with your Austin Seven - Steve kay - 26-09-2021

   
Damn fine machines, these Austins, so I whizzed over to the Lawns to look at some. They can be very fast as well, immediately after lunch, Sevens took FTD. Class 1 had been sent to mix with other makes, but the upper paddock being empty, took themselves all together off to a Sevenland. For the spotter, 1 Julia Wolstenhome's EA;  2 Sarah Foster's Nippy; Archie Bullet's Ulster no. 4; dual entered Ulster Sport of Steve James and Daniel Hunter nos 5 and 705; Les Gorton's Ulster Replica no 6, and three Ulsters, 9 of Stuart Roe, 10, William Way and Peter Howatt in no 7. 
   
Lower down under some trees class 6 included a couple of Sevens. Graham Beckett's Simplicity, Matthew Craven's car entered just as an Austin Seven, and The Toy of Graham Furnell. Apologies for spelling mistakes or typos. One day anorak behaviour will take over, and I will snap head on views of front suspension, indicating that no two are the same. 

An alarming shortage of fuel encouraged a pal to hijack his dear lady wife's electric machine which was quieter than a 2CV, faster than a Ruby and did not leak a single drip of oil. It sailed past long queues at petrol stations.

RE: What have you done today with your Austin Seven - Hedd_Jones - 26-09-2021

(25-09-2021, 08:48 PM)Bob Culver Wrote: Hi Hedd

The springs working directly on the body are an abomination. If that is the original floor never patched pan it must be about the only one existing.
If an overlap can be arranged brazing can be used but needs a lot of cleaning. Can acheive without oxy but prevents later welding.  (and here not allowed for w.o.f despite being used in many cars originally and very strong)

Bin, its a easy peasy matter of straightening things up with hammer and dolly. Probably some plug welds where the rivetts went, and just weld up the splits. No rot here.

RE: What have you done today with your Austin Seven - RossV - 27-09-2021

I can help with this. Email me at my VARNZ address.

RE: What have you done today with your Austin Seven - Steve Jones - 27-09-2021

(26-09-2021, 09:50 PM)Steve kay Wrote: Damn fine machines, these Austins, so I whizzed over to the Lawns to look at some. They can be very fast as well, immediately after lunch, Sevens took FTD. Class 1 had been sent to mix with other makes, but the upper paddock being empty, took themselves all together off to a Sevenland. For the spotter, 1 Julia Wolstenhome's EA;  2 Sarah Foster's Nippy; Archie Bullet's Ulster no. 4; dual entered Ulster Sport of Steve James and Daniel Hunter nos 5 and 705; Les Gorton's Ulster Replica no 6, and three Ulsters, 9 of Stuart Roe, 10, William Way and Peter Howatt in no 7. 

Lower down under some trees class 6 included a couple of Sevens. Graham Beckett's Simplicity, Matthew Craven's car entered just as an Austin Seven, and The Toy of Graham Furnell. Apologies for spelling mistakes or typos. One day anorak behaviour will take over, and I will snap head on views of front suspension, indicating that no two are the same. 

An alarming shortage of fuel encouraged a pal to hijack his dear lady wife's electric machine which was quieter than a 2CV, faster than a Ruby and did not leak a single drip of oil. It sailed past long queues at petrol stations.

Yes, our Sevens look good parked up in the paddock and all went well and we all survived the day. However, the car that attracted most of our attention is the Combs 3.8 MkII Jaguar shown in the photo parking up. An outstanding car looking for a bank to rob!! However, as Stuart Rose pointed out, it wouldn't have had those chrome wires in period.

Steve (Jones not James!)

RE: What have you done today with your Austin Seven - charlie carpenter - 29-09-2021

Just back from our delayed Easter 2020 Scottish club weekend at Peebles Hydro. It was great to be out in the cars again and meet up with friends after all this time.